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transcript  Special Commission on State Institutions (SCSI) Meeting: October 20, 2023

>> Matt: Good afternoon, everyone. I would like to call this meeting of  

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the special Commission on State Institutions   to order. My name is Matt Millett. I'm  

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one of the co-chairs of the commission along with Evelyn  

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Mateo. We would like to inform information the commission is  

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meeting -- subject to Open Meeting Law PM   and that a vote, sorry, taken will be done for a role call, we've  

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roll call, sorry, we   have roll call we ask commission members please mute  

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yourselves to avoid background noise, we also tell, encourage everyone to use  

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raise hand question if they like to speak. I like to highlight  

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we're meeting is being record and the videos   are available on the commission's.gov  

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page, to hold the meeting, it asks we  

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ask all participants to take a moment to view the agenda. The items on there  

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that we will be discussing today. We've CART services support in the meeting   today. The captions that help participants follow the session, if you  

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need any help turning this on, please let us know.  

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We ask speak as -- will   help us to under important information that is shared. Evelyn and  

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I will, especially myself will keep the meeting  

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on track. When we end the meeting we   have notes made available based on what we talk about. I have a few  

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announcements about the commission. First of all,   one of our members June Sauvageau retired as C.E.O. She  

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resigned from the commission. Another commission member, John Hannigan left  

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his position with archives so he stepped   down from the commission but we'd like to introduce Conner snow who took  

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his, who is stepping in for the   archives resident of the commission. So thank  

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you. Evelyn, would you like to say   something? >> Evelyn:  

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Good afternoon, before we start the afternoon discussion, we have  

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the additional house keeping items which is to vote on the draft minutes  

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from the commission previous meeting on September   6 Copies of the draft meeting minutes were e-mailed to members before the  

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meeting. One member e-mailed us to  

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ask we change the draft minutes so they   accurately reflect that at the commission's first meeting on June 1, a  

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member asked that we use plain language PM   whenever possible in both documents and in our discussions.  

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Are there any other suggestions, exchanges to the draft   minutes? And if so, please unmute yourself and  

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state your proposed change?  

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[Pause] If there are no changes, we can vote.  

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We will be conducting a call, a roll   call vote so if everyone could please unmute themselves, I will call out your  

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names in alphabetical order. First, do   we have a motion to approve the minutes?  

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Please state your name. PM  

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>> Rania: Rania Kelly I make a motion to approve the minutes.   >> Matt: This is Matt Millett. I'll second the motion.   >> Evelyn: Yeah, sorry. >> Matt: Sorry, I'll second the motion,  

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Matt Millett. >> Evelyn: So going down the   list now, right.  

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>> Matt: Yeah. >> Evelyn: Alice.  

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-- Alex. >> Alex: Yes.   >> Kate. >> Kate: Yes.  

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>> Apologies, I Alex, I think she was   starting with Ellis but Alex, did sound a lot like Alex, I don't blame you.  

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>> Alex: I want to be eelise, that is   the thing. >> I don't believe Ellis or Brenda are  

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age to join Tate. >> Evelyn: Kate.   >> Kate: Yes. >> Evelyn: Reggie.  

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>> Reggie: Yes. >> Evelyn: Anne   PM >> Yes.  

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>> Evelyn: Alex. >> Alex: This time, yes.  

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>> Evelyn: Reyna. >> Rania: Yes.   >> Evelyn: Andrew. >> Andrew: Yes.  

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>> Evelyn: Mary? PM  

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Mary? Okay.  

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Vest per Brenda.  

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Conner. >> Conner: Yes.   >> Evelyn: Mary Louise. Matthew.  

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>> Matt: Yes. >> Evelyn: Myself,   Evelyn, yes. Thank  

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you, everyone. And just as a reminder copies of the approved minutes and all  

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the meetings materials from our commission meeting are available on the  

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commission web page PM  

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PM >> Matt: Thank you, Evelyn.   Well, the other meeting we discussed a number of  

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options for hiring Mary and resource support for the commission.   Some committee -- the commission met to the  

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end of September and has updates for the group. Drew, drew,  

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what would you like to speak about in the subcommittee, what   we talked about. >> And Rioux: Sure, thank you, as you  

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mentioned wide been looking in four different options about how to go about  

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getting the administrative support we need for the commission some of the   communication are functions Gabe is doing now, setting up meetings,  

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coordinating with everybody, putting out the agenda and draft minutes, things   like that. But the bigger aspect was the research. You know, looking in the  

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records, where do they exist? How do we catalog them?   Just getting a basic unctioning of thescope of the material out there and  

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how we can best address that. So the,   subcommittee met a few weeks ago. We reviewed all those options. We also  

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heard a presentation from Dr. Emily Lauer with the center for  

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developmental disability evaluation and   research C. PM  

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C.D.D.A.R.which is easier to say sand from that presentation it was our  

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feeling it's going to be the most efficient means of getting the projects   done. We've both as respects we're looking for  

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so we did take a vote and decided to recommend C.D.D.A.R.as the option moving   fort forward but ultimately it's the full committee has the decision about  

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how we should move forward with this project but with that said Emily was   nice enough to come and speak about what C.D.A.R.can do for us and how they might  

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be able to get up and running if we decide to move forward with them. With  

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that I'll turn it over to Emily. >> Em   Emily: Thank you, so much. And Rioux, I'm able to share my screen. So  

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in an effort to put something in front of you, as I speak, I do have some very  

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simple slides to just introduce ourselves and share a little bit about   how we are and what we do: Some of you  

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are familiar faves so bear with me. You might be hearing things that you already   know about us . So I'm Emily Lauer, I  

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am an associate professor at UMass Khan   medical school in family medicine and community health. And I lead the  

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center. I'm going to tell you about. My background, I have degrees  

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in medical sociology which is about the study from   a health perspective about how different  

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systems in our society work together. How different institutions might work   but also how different forces in government and society and interactions  

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all work togethers. I also work in public health. So think of the way a  

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doctor focuses on one health, the health of one person at a time. I focus more   on the healths of a population of people. So that is the background of my  

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work. Within the medical school, we have an   independent center called the Eunice Kennedy Schrisker center. As some of  

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you may nonnies' sister rose had an   intellectual disability and our center was founded in 1970 in Eunice's  

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name in celebration of all of the advocacy and   work she did to improve the healthcare  

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and the lives and outcomes for people with intellectual and developmental   disabilities. So we have lots of different experts in our center. We  

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have some that do research to try to provide better science and better   healthcare. We have folks who advocate for better policies and better  

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access to services, better insurance for people   with disabilities. We have people in my  

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group who might study how the health of a population is today and what can be  

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done to improve it. And look at making   services better for people with disabilities so that they're able to get  

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their full outcomes they're looking for in their lives and live in a more  

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integrated fashion. So we have lots of different experts we can access  

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throughout our center. And I wanted to   also share our mission which is to transform systems, policy, and  

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practice by enthe   research, education, training and service that we do for a variety  

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of different conditions. So that the   ultimately the people who have disabilities can lead more  

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self-determined lives. So I have spoke  

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with your smaller group about some of the work we've done so far, and I wanted   to share some examples here . We  

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routinely work with people with disabilities and their family members to  

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listen to their experiences and their stories and their lived perspective in  

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order to understand how things really are in practice. So some of what you  

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talked to us about is needing to understand what is it like to try to get  

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papers from different groups? What was the experience of going through  

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different processes? And that's something we do pretty   well. We've looked at, for example,  

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experiences in social inclusion for adults with intellect electricitiual   disabilities. Where that has gone well and where it hasn't. We did the same  

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thing with care givers who are aging who   are supporting people in their family with disabilities and what it was like  

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for them to get help where they needed it, and where they could get the help   and where they couldn't. We use these things to come back and recommend ways  

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that we can improve services. We've   also worked with many different self-advocates, some of them on this  

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call even, on creating tools for people with disabilities to express what they  

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need in healthcare or to understand things about their health that may be  

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challenging. And partnering with people with disabilities we teach our medical  

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students about how to care for people with disabilities, how to understand and  

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address their needs and how to be respectful in caring for them as   patients. And lastly, I would say that we also have special experience  

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in studying death in people with   disabilities so there are specific ways we do that that help us understand where  

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people with disabilities need better healthcare, better services to improve  

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how long they live and -- >> Audio now unmuted.   >> Emily: Health conditions they experience so I'll pause her for a  

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moment to see if there are questions  

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PM PM   PM seeing none, not seeing any questions or   seeing anyone indicate they have questions so I'm going to move on a  

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little bit. I appreciate your   commission's work to put together the types of support that you would like to  

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see going forward, and I read that   really careful and given some thought where we could be helpful and where we  

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might not be able to meet what you need.   So I wanted to start with the areas we think you can -- we can support. You  

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had asked for four areas. One of those   is support in running your commissions.  

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Which is helping with your meetings,   meeting limits, providing updates and helping you put together a report.  

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These are things we do every month. So   we have staff who help schedule , who  

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help take minutes, who help write reports so I think we can help you with   those things. You also asked for help creating a list of places where people  

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are buried, and some information about   cemeteries. I do think we can help you find that information and collect it and  

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report on it. You also mentioned that there are papers  

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with information about people with disabilities from the past and you  

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wanted to know things like where are those papers and who has them?   I think we can help quite a bit in this  

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area, but as we'll talk b I think there may be some things that take more time  

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than your commission has right now to figure out. So we can help you get lots  

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of information, but I don't know that we will be able to help you get every piece  

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of information you may seek. So if we   can't get it all, what we can do is get as much as we can and explain  

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what needs to be done to get the rest of   it. You also asked for help figuring out the  

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process to get those papers. What   happens when people try to get them and how other places give access to papers  

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like this. I do think we can support you in finding   the answers to these questions. Couple  

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of areas that we thought would be challenging and I'm going to explain   why. Sometimes there are processes or ways to get papers that require the help  

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of a lawyer. Because they are protected   under certain laws. They may not be public documents anymore and people may  

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have ownership over them or think they have ownership over them. Sometimes  

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when we have to have our lawyers help us get those papers, it can take a long  

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time. And it might take longer than when your report is due in  

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January 2025 We do have lawyers. We can ask them  

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to help us, but sometimes that timeline   is out of our control.  

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I also expect that when we, if we were to start   asking questions about where papers have gone,  

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if they've been thrown out or destroyed,   sometimes people get protective of that information and they don't want to  

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answer you. Because they might be afraid they did something wrong or they   aren't sure if that was the right process.  

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Working with them may also take some extra time. You also asked  

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us to help find how people were buried when they   died, what the rules were, what their families were told, is there a  

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gravestone and was there a funeral?   I think getting this information may be  

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beyond the scope of this phase of the work. We can help you design  

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or write out how we would go about this,   but I think finding this information  

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may take many, many interviews, may   take many, many steps to fully get this  

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We could work with you to get started, but I don't know that we   can finish that work in this period.  

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The other part that I think is going to be hard is to find out if anybody was  

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buried in a place where they were not supposed to be bur   red. I think -- buried.   I think we can start to collect information about this, but I don't  

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think we can finish this work in this time period. So some of the things that  

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I don't know yet is where all of this   information is, who has it, how we can  

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get it, and whether we need the help of lawyers or other professionals to get  

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this information. So these things will help determine how hard it is or how  

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easy it is to get this information and how quickly we can do it.  

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So I wanted to stop here and ask if you have   questions or if you would like to talk about what I'm proposing.  

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PM >> Rania: I want to comment. This has   been amazing so far. I really appreciate how concise and clear  

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this >> Emily: Thank you.   >> Mary: Can you hear me okay. This is Mary Mahon McCauley. And thank you for  

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PM the detailed information and I can --   I very much appreciate you sharing what  

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you know you can do, what you are pretty sure you can actually do and what you   cannot do in the timeframe. And that's  

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very, very helpful. When I'm looking at   an event or contract or relationship with someone that's going to do any kind  

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of work, you know, I always appreciate the forthrightness and being straight  

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forward and I realize some of these things are -- there is attorneys   involved. There's more money involved and always more time involved so thank  

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you for the presentation. I think you'll be able to do a lot of what we  

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need. We need to be done, and some  

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folks on this commission and I'm not sure. I haven't been here since the   June meeting, but, you know, some folks  

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as always may be thinking we can do more in a short period of time. But this is   a major project that's going to take sometime. So even all the initial  

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things you can help us with sounds wonderful and that's it. Thanks.  

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>> Emily: Thank you, it was really important with me to be up-front with   you about what we think we can do and what we can't because we don't want to  

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give you an impression or give you a sense that we can solve everything and   have you be disappointed at the end. We're very aware this is a very  

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sensitive and important issue, and we want to be respectful of that and insure  

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that we're very clear where we think there are going to be   challenges. >> Mary: That's great.  

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>> Emily: One of the other components or pieces that I know was important to   you is to be independent from the state.  

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I also wanted to be honest with you that   we are at a State University, and we  

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technically are considered an entity of the state. So while we're not a state  

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agency under health and human services, we are a state organization. I  

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understand if that presents conflicts for you, but I want to make sure you   have that information at this early juncture or phase because I am a state  

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employee. We're a state employee under the university system, so we have some  

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independence, you know, the governor does not oversee my job  

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but it's important that you understand. If you   have question Boston that, I am absolutely happy to tell you more about  

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that. PM  

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[Pause] Okay. Well that was the presentation I   prepared for you all. Is there anything you would like to ask me or any other  

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comments you would like to share? Alex.  

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>> Alex: Hey, thank you so much for  

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this. It's amazing. And I appreciate   just what Rania said, that clear of your presentation and the -- clarity of your  

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presentation and telling us the things as Mary said that you can and can't do.  

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I think those are all reasonable things. Hi a couple of questions. I might  

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have more   but it's my sense that we have enough funding to get things started  

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and we can certainly and we've been   encouraged to go back to the legislature for the next kind of fiscal year and ask  

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for the things that we need.   Are you able to help us with preparing  

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something small that we could share with them to show us where we're at as we go   into that process, and then, also, give us a sense at some point of kind of  

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what financially we should be going for   so we make sure we're able to support ongoing  

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work if we approve this proposal. >> Emily: Yes I am aware  

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of the resource that is you have available and   I did spend sometime looking at what type of staff support that would afford  

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you, and that is part of how I came up with where I thought we could do things   and may not be able to support. In terms of a plan, what I was roughly  

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drafting was some -- a couple of different levels of staff. So  

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administrative assistants on scheduling, and things. Some project management  

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PM resources and then some more senior   staff who have the ability to write reports, do financial assessments for  

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you about next steps and prepare a product for you at the end of   the -- January 2025 is when you asked for that  

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that would summarize the works, findings and next steps so you would leave with a   product that would set you up for an ask of future support. But most  

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importantly, also understanding the direction you would need to take, do you  

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need a particular type of consultant or   what kind of expert do you need next so that you can make an ask that is  

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particular to what we were able to find and what we were not able to   find. We also expect that we'll need to do some  

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interviews with people who, for example, have tried to access records and how  

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that went for them. There are also   people we know in our professional world  

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who have knowledge about where people are buried and where they are not and  

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how that was handled. So we would interview them so we have resources that  

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we estimated to talk with them and   transcribe or get the written word out of what was said so that we can report  

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on it and pull quotes and things if we need to. Then we also have some  

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resources for local travel and maybe potentially we need help from a local  

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historian or a consult fee for someone who has done some background work who we  

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might want to talk to. So that is kind of the support we've been looking   at over roughly a little over a year  

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period, and we do think within the resource that is you have available, we  

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can provide that level of support. >> Alex: Amazing, thank you so much.   And that gets to the other question that came to my mind is there's a bunch of  

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us on the commission either who have lived   experience with these things, family  

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member who was in one of the institutions or family members who are   at the current facilities the state has. People who are themselves at those  

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facilities and those of us who have done research around these issue   s. I, it's not anything you need to answer now, but  

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if there is a process where we can share what we have, whether it's by creating a  

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subcommittee that works with you or that -- I don't know, whatever that looks   like that is best for you. I think we,  

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I guess that's not a question but we have something to offer. So that's all   I would say. >> Emily: I am 

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aware many you, Alex   included have spent a lot of time on this topic and do have information  

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gathered and of course we would want to incorporate that or bring that in as  

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parts of our first steps to make sure we're building off of what you've done  

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but not starting over with things you've   already worked through. >> Alex: I have a track record for doing  

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this so I'll do it again which is Boston   archives, conner -- they just everything that I've ever been able to do in this  

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revolve around their sense of both records management and what the state   has. So I know that they are a terrific  

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central resource for our commission. So -- Emily: Critical I think because it  

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will allow us to get started with what they already know. Instead of spending   a lot of time trying to figure that out again. I think the Massachusetts  

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Historical Society has also done some work in this area we would imagine   tapping into what they've done, too. That's what would allow us to  

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jump in and keep the work going as opposed to   starting from scratch as where is everything and all of that. I  

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mean we also just in full disclosure we   do contract with some of the state agencies  

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to provide support to them, too. Like the Department of Developmental Services   then we'll be contracting with the department of mental health so we're  

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independent but we've professional relationships with them where they pay  

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us to do work for them. That work would   not influence this work, but those relationships do exist.  

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PM >> Mary: This is Mary again. I wanted   to add that the words you just said were wonderful, very sweet to my ears that  

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we're not going to reinvent any wheels   because working for the state for 34 years, sometimes people start things  

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from scratch when people have already done a lot of different kinds of work so   gathering all the information, there is so much work that has been Dan in  

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different places at different times that needs to be pull and put together which,  

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I think will be a big part of what we're trying to do. You know, there is a   lot of information spread out. And pulling  

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it together to begin with is critical PM   >> Emily: We share that opinion. >> Mary: Yeah  

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PM >> Emily: Any other questions or  

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comments? PM  

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Okay. Thank you for your time.   PM >> Mary: Thank you.   >> Matt: Thank you for your time. Appreciate the presentation.  

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>> Andruw: Thank you.  

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PM >> Matt: If everyone is happy with  

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PM Dr. Lauer's presentation, is there a   motion to vote on C.D.D.A.R.to provide  

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support for this commission? >> Alex: So moved. I'll make the  

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motion. >> Andruw. I'll second that but can I  

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ask sort of a question in terms of maybe this is best directed at Viktor,  

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obviously somebody is going to need to sign off on I.S.A.'s and things of that   nature. So I would ask that the motion be amended to say that we allow D.D.S.to  

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take any action necessary to, you know,   get the contract into effect. PM  

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>> Victor: we did have the money and we'll make sure there are things done   properly with C.D.D.A.R.and I'll manage the contract.  

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>> Emily: I'm happy to help out if you   want me to or to stay on -- if you would  

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like me to leave. >> Matt: Sorry about that, my   bad. Sorry, Dr. Lauer, if you don't   mind. Sorry.  

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>> Victor: take care. >> Alex: So I'll make a motion, tell me  

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if I do this wrong but I'll make a motion that the special commission  

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PM contract C.D.D.A.R.on the scope ofwork   proposal we've drafted and that we  

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authorize D.D.S.to sign any and all   contracts in order to finalize that  

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arrangement. >> Andruw: I'll   second. >> Matt: Do a roll call vote  

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then. Elise is not here.   Kate. >> Kate: Yes.  

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>> Matt: Reggie? >> Reggie: Unmute yourself,  

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Reggie, sorry.   >> Reggie: I make a motion that we have  

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that -- have the contract and also to make sure that whatever  

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is counted to put on paper please   PM >> Matt: Sorry, what do you mean by put  

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on paper? >> Reggie: Whatever we do, whatever we   do, so we know what is happening and make sure that, that we're all  

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accounted for.   >> Matt: All right.   >> Reggie: Thank you. >> Matt: Anne.   >> Kate: I agree. >> Matt: Alex.   >> Alex: Yes. >> Matt: Rania.   >> Rania: Yes. So. >> Andruw.   >> Yes. >> Matt: Mary.   >> Mary: Yes. >> Matt: Brenda is not here, conner.   >> Conner: Abedin. >> Matt: Thank you. Mary Louise is not  

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here. Evelyn. >> Evelyn:   Yes. >> Matt: Thank you. So the  

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motion passed. Victor and Gabe -- yes.   Alex. >> Alex: 

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I believe Mr. Krant is here, I see him on the panelists.  

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I -- so I want to make sure that he is counted in   the vote. >> Matt: Sorry about that  

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PM >> We can talk about this offline but   Mr. Cent hasn't taken his oath of office so he technically is not a formal  

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member. Apologies. >> Alex: I'm sorry about that. Okay.   Thank you so much. >> Matt: So let's vote on, is it  

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approved so Viktor and Gabe will work with C.D.D.R.to help with  

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next steps. >> Victor: certainly.   >> Matt: Thank you. So as I first said  

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when we started, one of the first things I said we're recording this meeting.   And I like to discuss the with the  

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commission a way to upload videos.   Whether we want to do it on the web page. If we want to do our web  

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page. Someone would need to create a   YouTube channel to upload everything, something I do not know how  

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to do so I know someone on the commission who would like to take on   that responsibility to create a YouTube channel so we could pest our  

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PM -- post our videos.   >> Kate: This is Kate. I would take on the responsibility for  

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doing that Matt. >> Matt: Okay. Thank you, Kate.   Appreciate that. Thank you. We'll talk  

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to you later, Kate, about how -- Gabe   and me but, thank you. Evelyn. Like to  

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talk now. PM   >> Evelyn: I'm going to do the wrap up  

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PM Thank you,   everyone. I believe that  

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that is all we have planned for this afternoon. Is there anyone -- anything  

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else members would like to discuss? PM  

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>> Alex: I want to thank the co-chairs and Viktor and drew for arranging all   this. This is really amazing, it has been a great afternoon, thank you so  

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much. >> Matt: I think Reggie tried to say   something if I'm not manages taken PM   >> Reggie: I want to thank you all for being here and having the support  

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at what you are doing, we all are working   together as a team PM  

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>> Matt: Actually I would like to   discuss the meetings. Last meeting we did every two weeks which we realized I  

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think we realized not being able to meet until two months later that it's tough  

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so I would like to revisit that the motion if we want to. Try to keep it  

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every two weeks or try to do every three or every month. We want to try to   get everything own done but it's tough to  

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get a schedule with 17, 18 people   especially sometimes people don't answer right away so it makes it even tougher.  

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I would like to talk more about that.  

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If there are other question, comments about that.   >> Rania: I have a comment . Well,  

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actually no, I'll wait. >> Matt: Speak up, Ms. Kelly   , please. >> Rania: I -- is there any other -- I  

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guess my question is is there any other   pressing matters that we need to do to keep moving forward?  

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PM >> Matt: I think the help of   PM C.D.D.A.R.will make our commission move   forward quicker, they'll help with the work so I don't think but I could be  

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wrong. That's my impression, Alex or Kate might have a different impression  

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or thought on that. But I don't think so. I think two weeks would be tough   personally. >> Rania: I agree. I want to make sure  

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the reason we had set it was to -- the hiring so if we're all set, then I'm  

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totally okay were that. I wanted to >> Matt: Yeah.   >> Alex: I feel the same, Matt. I think if C.D.D.A.R.wants us to meet once  

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before the end of the year or something, I would be down for that. Whatever they   think is best but I think every two weeks we don't need to. I do think  

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Evelyn mentioned the trip out to sites   and Kate I know, we absolutely need as  

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group education some evening where Kate   can do a talk for all of us, but  

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certainly we can arrange that scheduling by e-mail and certainly don't need to  

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keep meeting every two weeks. So --  

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>> Matt: Is there a motion to -- I don't   know how to say correctly. Sore, PM  

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Evelyn, yes. >> Evelyn: I want to say earlier  

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Gabe had e-mailed every month about the   performance of the days and times for regular meetings. If we haven't yet,  

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please e-mail your preferred days, times to me or Gabe or  

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Matt so we don't go through what we went through like we   waited for a lot of response. Nobody responded.  

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Nobody called back for the e-mails, texts. It left us in the limbo and it's  

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hard to do the job if we don't respond   to what we need or want to make it easier for everyone.  

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PM That was it.   >> Andruw, Andrew Levrault, to sort of piggyback on something Alex said. I  

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think -- definitely I think moving the large group meetings, the full  

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commission meetings out to, you know, lengthier schedule or time in between  

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because it is tough to get everybody together but Alex mentioned maybe   PM getting a subcommittee together to touch  

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base with C.D.D.A.R.. See what their progress; check the progress, that's  

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another possibility too, to have somebody directly ingage with them but  

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then coming back to the full commission less frequently.  

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We don't have to take that up now. That's something we could   think about. PM  

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[Pause] >> Matt: I could be wrong, Gabe, help me   out with this, do we need to re-- go  

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back to the motion of every two weeks to get that off the -- get another motion  

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on the books. >> I think it would be helpful if folks   are open to that. >> Matt: All right.  

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Do I have a motion to stop -- I   can't say this week stop meeting every two weeks and meet every  

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four weeks or as C.D.D.R.would like us.   I'm not sure. >> I would say maybe we make a motion  

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to meet, typically at   the discretion of the   chair. Whenever you and Evelyn want to get everybody together. Call Ott the  

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meetings, let us know. >> Matt: Do I have a second for that   then? >> Rania: I second that, that's a  

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brilliant idea. Thank you. >> Matt: I'll do a roll call vote   for Andruw's motion, 

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is everyone clear on  

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the motion. >> Mary: Can we do a discussion on that   please? This is Mary.   >> Matt: Sure. >> Mary: I wanted to know if it's, would  

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that mean that you are going to say, we're going to have a meeting next week?   Because if there was a short notice, like if they were regularly scheduled,  

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like once a month, I could put them into my book. I book up really far into  

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the future. So I couldn't just fit a   meeting in if there was a decision, like, let's have a meeting next week or  

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in two weeks. I know from my schedule anyway, I'm better off knowing.  

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>> Matt: I think -- >> Mary: How much front time would you   have scheduling a meeting? >> Matt: I didn't mean to cut you off.  

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I think the issue was two weeks, it  

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ended up being I think five weeks. So   what -- >> Mary: I think, as I heard it, I think  

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it seems like people don't want to be two weeks which I would agree with every   two weeks is too often. I would think  

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every month might be fine just at the beginning because we're the commission.  

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This organization that we're hiring, they shouldn't -- they shouldn't be  

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running what we do. We're then helping us do what we're doing, if that makes   sense to people. So I would be all right with the chair's calling the  

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meeting, but if you are calling the meeting and it's like that meeting is   going to be next week or in seven business days, I know I'll have a harder  

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time fitting it in if we have a short notice. So I wanted to be able to say   that. >> Matt: No, we're not -- well, we're  

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trying not to be short notice. It wouldn't be hey, can we meet on Monday   at 0.125 It would be like in two weeks or three weeks, can we meet on  

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November -- November 10th at   2:00, sore. >> Mary: That's okay. No. Thank  

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you. So the you anticipate that the there   would be different things or information that would come up to the chairs that  

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others in the group won't know and you   would think we need a meeting so you will call a meeting for 2 or 3 weeks  

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that is what the thought is? >> Matt: Yes, that is what the thought   is. >> Mary: That's fine. I couldn't do a  

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quick meeting and -- yeah, thank you. I wanted to clarify that. Thank you very   much. >> Matt: Anne, would you like  

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to say something.   >> I'm going to say this meeting should probably meeting a week before the large  

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meeting. If the large   meeting meets monthly, this should probably meet the  

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week before that or maybe two weeks before that, just to make sure  

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that we know what the large meeting is all   PM >> Mary: Isn't this the large meeting?  

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>> Matt: I was going to say that. We're missing a few people who couldn't make   it and we have a couple of retirees or step downs so that is why all 17 people  

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are not here. >> You should have a small meeting   before the large meeting to make sure that everybody knows what the large  

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meeting is about. >> Matt: Okay. So that  

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would be a subcommittee then or would that be   something else? PM  

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We would, we have an agenda set out a week or three days before, say what  

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we're going to talk about. That way   papers -- sorry, I can't talk, any papers you can see we'd send them out a  

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few days before so you can see what we would be talking about.  

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Does that answer your question?   Anne, does that answer your question?  

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>> Yes. >> Matt: Sorry about that. Everyone  

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else -- Alex? >> Alex: No, thank you. Maybe   Anne, a way down the road is if we do create  

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a subcommittee like what drew suggested   that works with C.D.D.R., if you join that subcommittee, that would probably  

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meet a little more frequently in advance and then hand things over to the chairs  

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who would, you know, organize and lead the scheduling and preparation of a   meeting. Maybe that is a way to be part  

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of that kind of -- a type of   pre-meeting. Yeah, just a thought.  

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>> Matt: Thank you, Alex. Any  

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discussion what Andrew -- I can't speak,  

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if not I would like to take a roll call   vote. Elise, not here, Kate reaffirm?  

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>> Kate: Yes. >> Matt: Thank you. Reggie?   PM Unmute yourself, Reggie,   sorry. >> Reggie: Yes.   >> Matt: Thank you, Reggie . Anne.  

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>> Yes. >> Matt: Thank you. Alex.   >> Alex: Yes. >> Matt:  

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Ms. Kelly. >> Rania: That is okay yes, don't worry   about it. >> Matt: Drew.  

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>> Yes. >> Matt: Mary yes.   >> Matt: Conner. >> Yes.   >> Mary: Mary Louise, she is not here either. Evelyn.   >> Evelyn: Yes. >> Matt: Thank you. Thank you  

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for that. PM  

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I lost my page. Any other discussions?  

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If not -- >> Mary: I'm sore, I maybe have talked   too much today. This is Mary again. I've one other, one other comment that  

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wasn't previously anticipated. Just speaking as a person that is blind as a  

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reasonable accommodation which I know this group completely wants inclusion   and accessibility for all, I would very much appreciate it before people spoke  

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if they could say their name.   >> Matt: Bore that. >> Mary: I can't see them on the screen.  

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I'm starting to pick up on some voices but if they could say their name, I   would very much appreciate it as a person that is blind. Thank you.  

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>> Matt: This is Matt Millett. Sorry about that. My bad.   >> Mary: Thanks. >> Matt: Sorry about that.   >> Mary: No, that's okay. It hance all the time. Thank you, just wanted to  

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bring it up. People forget things like that.   >> Matt: Do I have a motion to adjourn?  

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PM >> Mary: Motion to adjourn.   >> Matt: Thank you, a second? PM   >> Kate: Second. >> Matt: Last roll call to adjourn the  

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meeting. Elise is not here. Kate? >> Kate: Yes.  

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>> Matt: Thank you. Reggie? PM   >> Reggie: Yes. >> Matt: Thank you, Anne   PM >> Yes.   >> Matt: Alex. >> Alex: Yes.   >> Matt: Thank you. Ms. Kelly. >> Rania: Yes.   >> Matt: Thank you. Drew.  

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>> Yes. >> Matt: Mary.   >> Mary: Yes. >> Matt: Vest per not here,  

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conner? You have to unmute yourself conner,  

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sorry sore, conner, it's still on  

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mute. PM   Can we, can you type your response if you can't get yourself off mute. Shake   the head as yes. Conner is shaking his  

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head yes to adjourn. I'm a yes Andy   Lipp. >> Evelyn: Yes.  

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>> Matt: Thank you, this concludes this   commission meeting. We'll work with C.DNA to get the ball rolling so to  

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speak hopefully talk to each other soon. As always any questions, e-mail me,  

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etch Lynne our e-mail is always open.   Thank you, everyone. >> Mary: Thank you, have a good weekend.

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